Watch: Why I Left the U.S. to Launch a Startup in India

4:07 Of people you have to deal with all kinds of situations and events and yeah we just felt it was that that was one very important thing there was also parents you know pretty much the same reasons that most people will tell you you know kids parents culture freedom in some sense to work where you want in this visa and other rules those also do come into the picture these are some of the things I think which were always on our minds anything you want yeah I think for us it was very limiting in terms of what we were able to do there so for instance he was always a startup junkie and he wanted to do something of his own and immigration issues never allowed to do that because we were on an H1B for the most part of our time there right and we were not comfortable doing that and it was really limiting in terms of its existence and life just was so stressful I think for us we were very conscious

5:08 That we wanted to visit India at least once a year and we would have our folks visit us in the U.S for a few months every year and somehow being around family sort of made us realize that kids were beginning to thrive when they had ajitas around and who are taking care of them and somehow even our lives were less stressful at that point otherwise you know I'm sure you have lived the same life it was go go go and just praying and hoping that both of us don't fall asleep at the same time the hand is like God knows what's going to happen so that stress of a dual income you know sort of livelihood just to make sure your lifestyle is sustainable and the kids not being able to get our dedicated time we were always in rushed mode right so all of those sort of made us question what's the quality of life we're having here yeah we have a fantastic house and you know all of that is great but eventually we were just so exhausted all the time and stressed out that this made us realize that maybe there's more to life than just this hustle and bustle great yeah thanks for

6:10 Sharing that sounds to me like it's the freedom it's the family it's the exposure for the kids and so on so which is like the common themes that you typically hear for all the people who are considering and it's always as you mentioned right every immigrant has always this in the back of the mind but it's only the few who make the decision and actually move back but be for different reasons so with that said when you made the decision to move back I think you kind of took like two years in terms of the planning right so if there are anything that you can share especially from a career I think Ajay I think you were more on the startup side you know which was acquired so how are you thinking about a career transition and malvi Carmen again I think if we can touch base on that that would be very helpful and then we can go on to the next topics there yes his startup acquisition happened fairly early on by by 2018 and it had already been five plus years since the acquisition so the golden handcuffs are mostly off but Google does make it very comfortable to stay you know very

7:13 Nice company and you know learned a lot very very smart people to work with so in terms of that not so much of a factor but definitely some things that I wanted to do on my own there was always this side hustle a Moonlighting project which we wanted to take you know me and a friend who had started it something we all always wanted to do more seriously take it full time and just try things out the energy in Silicon Valley is also very palatable and startups are I mean everybody does startups there right so and the ecosystem is so amazing and the help you get peers Talent funding ecosystems so many things but very difficult to do on an H1B you had to raise a certain amount of money or you had to be on a green card and we were I mean we did file our Green Card applications but back then the lines were really long and it it would potentially have taken as maybe another 10-15 years now that

8:14 Changed a little bit later on where there was a window where they just flushed a lot of the applications and many people got it no regrets there I mean so coming back here and trying to set up something a lot easier right it's it's your country after all you have the passport and you can do what you want so that was certainly one factor I'm sure malvika has many other things about the planning and other things the two years of plan what were the targets that we had set for ourselves yeah so the two years I think both of us had discussed what life here was going to be and he was so passionate about doing something of his own I have always been in a very conservative person in terms of planning so I said okay if you're going to take that risk I still need a stable job so over those two years I planned it in such a way that you know it was a lot of networking involved within the company and I loved simply loved my job at Apple I thought it was I I think most of my life's best

9:14 Work so try to stay within the company and began to network the seek if there were opportunities here in India and sometimes even set up my own job profile and you know made a pitch that this is something that you will find really helpful in India considering India's plans and such so that move was orchestrated in the sense that there were decisions all the way to the the top levels within the company about setting something up here and that wasn't an instantaneous decision it took a while for the company and we had to make a case that you know I think having presence in India helps and in a long story short at required planning and required convincing and persuasion so we did spend time in that and the other aspect of it was you know planning where are we going to be staying kids schools were going to be another part of it so the last year before our move you know I had work trips that would bring me to India but I would sort of take some time off and see and Scout around for schools talk to people who

10:15 Were sending their kids here to school and sort of figure out where which part of the city do we want to live in fortunately we're both from Bangalore so that was a no-brainer for us and we decided that because of all the work travel that I had I would probably situate ourselves closer to the airport because God knows you don't want to add more time on in traffic so those were certain things we did and we planned that out so by the time we moved we'd gotten the kids admitted in school we'd finished the admissions process we'd figured out where we wanted to live as well so that helped ease our move in and I think overall we set our expectations really low like nothing is going to work just be ready to you know do the plumbing to the poster to everything else so that helped because we didn't come in thinking we're going to be welcome with the red carpet and everyone will you know fall over themselves to talk to us that helped us that helped us settle down but those two years of planning required some work on the back

11:16 End yeah even professionally I I decided to quit so I quit Google and then I was coming here with no plans just figure things out it had been very very hectic as well so I said okay one year 12 months off to figure out the next steps and then we'll see take it from there yeah great I mean sounds like you are such a good planner I mean I think you know especially you know figuring out yes yeah and and that's that's interesting right I mean you're able to withhold the excitement of ajayi to start and go ahead and do the startup like you know you're able to navigate through make sure everything is settled in terms of the professional career transition as well as like you know the place to live you know kids I think you know just so that you have a smooth Landing right I think so thanks for sharing that sounds like you know a lot of details went in and you know make sure everything goes smoothly and there are a lot of trips beforehand to ensure that everything is in place so with that said so I know Ajay I think

12:19 You wanted to do like a startup maybe maybe before I think maybe let's continue on the career path a little bit before we talk so maybe if you can if you can share like how has your experience been because there are a lot of people who are in us you know who are also thinking about you know going into the startup again you know because of the immigration or for whatever reasons I think it would be very insightful and helpful in terms of the startup ecosystem in India how easy is it to start how has it changed in the last five years any any anything that you can advise people who are considering that you know while they're moving back yeah I think it's a very important question that everybody needs to ask themselves what is the ecosystem like here and how easy is it to get started with your own companies here in India right the the the startup ecosystem is definitely maturing quite well you know it is something compared to 2018

13:21 If you look at today which is 2023. the the improvements in the system and the kind of support you're getting through the network has definitely increased a lot you know back when we started in 2018 I was part of you know founding team of of the company that that I'm still at right now is called cryo it's an edtech company right funding was tough you know you had to really know people you had to have the right contacts in fact the seed funding videos also was because the co-founder used to work at Flipkart one of the early Flipkart employees who had a very good connect with Vinnie bunsel who was the co-founder of Flipkart himself and he was getting into funding startups in in Bangalore and India in general and that's how you know because of the connect and the history that the co-founder had with Vinnie bunsel it became possible to raise that

14:24 Seat funding otherwise generally pretty tough back then you know you had to know people who knew people who put in a recommendation it was still a trust deficit ecosystem back then not so much today I think you still have to know people to open some doors but I think the value of Merit and a meritocratic and sort of Performance Based you build a startup if it's getting good tractions people will come and talk to you the VCS will come and talk to you the angel investors want to deploy their Capital there are many new funds being created focused on India India's specific solving india-specific problems Indian startups solving India's problems rather than India's companies solving Global problems right you know so that that shift is happening a lot so yeah I think the ecosystem is really good right now but still if you compare it with the Bay Area or the Silicon Valley or something like that I

15:24 Think we're still a good 20 30 years behind yeah I mean you can't compel it that's like the mecca or you know the hub for the startups and I mean pretty much everybody every other person or like in a third person or something like you know they are in the startup world or they are trying to do their own thing which is different yeah compared to but yeah so in terms of setting up a company or finding that Talent of hiring the talent anything that you can share there I know you kind of touched on the funding side just curious in terms of maybe administrative part like finding people or people's interest to join a startups because the because it's so nascent we're still very early on in startup journey in India right and so people the the big companies are still paying big money to to higher Talent so attracting very good people with good amount of experience who can make a material difference to startups in the early days is very tough you know

16:25 Because they are very comfortable they don't want to leave what they have the risk-taking ability for people with experiences still fairly low right so you still have to bank on a lot of young people you know Carefree not not enough responsibilities willing to take that chance so we have to wait for that generation to grow up and then I think the next generation will be significantly better because these would be the people who are funding who are angels and things like that finding good quality Talent is tough you know it's tough in the Bay Area for sure it's all the more tough here because the supply is not that big in my opinion there are smart people you know hiding in a few companies who could be poached or who could be hired but it's very tough to convince them or they're very expensive to hire at a startup level or they don't want to take the risk so those challenges are definitely there and if they are if they have all these three qualities

17:27 They're probably starting their own company yeah the talent is tough even leave aside founding level talent I think even the next sort of say the first 20 first 50 kind of employees is enormous competition because a lot of startups everybody wants these people so how do you picture yourself how do you sort of get a really good brand out there so you can attract people something like the starter but which malvika is working right now and she can talk about it it's a really good brand and through the brand you're able to attract extremely good people and yeah those things become very important in India there are hacks for everything but it's not easy for sure a talent is tough yeah okay great yeah thanks for sharing so maybe malvikar like I think you can share your transition like touch on like the maybe the work culture in US versus in India again you know because you're part of you know the same company there and this is a big brand right I think you know that definitely would

18:28 Help like how it is in India again it's a product based company and I think Ajay has touched I think you kind of transition from you know how you came to India like you know in this career-wise with a startup so if you can share your journey or anything that you wanted to share that could be helpful for the future aspirants yeah so even though it was the same company the cultures were so different chalk and cheese basically although the companies tried really hard any company for that matter would want the same culture to be flowing across all regions and all geographies they operate in that's unfortunately not the case so I worked in the supply chain area and and the operation supply chain group and that required me even in the U.S to travel to pretty much every continent in the world for the work that I did and you could tell that every country had its own team culture that was in you know present and India was no different so when we came in here luckily for us we you know I had worked for about three years before I

19:29 Left for the us so I had a fair idea of what Indian culture was like there was a lot of hesitance and you know confidence issues when I first came in even before we moved where people had a lot of great ideas but didn't know how to pitch didn't know how to make themselves be heard and but over my stint at Apple for the you know the five years that I was in the transition phase and then moved to India even then I saw this huge change in the company I mean the culture started looking a bit like what it was in the us when we were there but for me personally I think coming in with low expectations helped I still worked with the US team like my teams were based out of Cupertino and Shanghai and London so I still worked with folks in that area but I did not have you know direct exposure to India per se how what I could talk about is the second year effects that had so I was you know used to or accustomed to a place where it was

20:29 Just walk into an executive's office and have a conversation it's an open door policy and come out not so much the case here right it required there's a hierarchy that was set up here in India which I think is the case with everything else so sort of accepting that was something that took time right sometimes I would feel like pulling my hair out saying why is everything so bureaucratic even in a company like this but then eventually you make your piece with it and once you build those relationships with those people then yes open door policy begins so there's a certain amount of trust building that needed to happen my role in the US and in India was really very similar I was in supply chain with procurement so it was a lot of contracts deals pricing negotiations and such so that didn't change however I think I felt really immensely the distance between India and the mothership like you know Apple Cupertino you were not part of those critical decisions you were not part of the

21:29 You know the the Strategic thinking you know sessions or whatever it was you were getting information you know second hand which again required some getting used to especially when you know your career is just taking off doing really well and then suddenly you decide to step back and come through India it's a conscious thing that in India at least in companies like this the growth the career growth may not be as fast as it would have been if you were back with headquarters so that was also an acceptance from my side I will never use the word regret in this case it's an acceptance it's not even a compromise because there were a lot of other benefits here in India for instance people really value your International experience like when you come here and you start talking about this is how things happen in the bay or in China or London whatever people sit up and pay attention there is a lot more value you'll bring to the table something that's taken for granted there right the second thing is your

22:30 Ability to work cross-culturally is a huge plus because companies here local talent Works beautifully within India but there is a cultural difference when you step out and have conversations with the Middle East or Europe or the US so that's another incredible feather in your cap that people can flaunt and that makes them really high demand professionals so there are pluses it's not like you can think my career is regressed it hasn't regressed you've just got to learn to make the most of what's thrown at you and you know make your peace with it sounds good so I think maybe continuing like I'm assuming you're no longer with apple so maybe anything that you can share that could be valuable like you know to what Ajay has already shared so I think that would have been well I think for us we'd always decided that one of us was going to be in a stable job we couldn't both throw our hats into the startup ring so once his CR you know cryo set up and you know things was going well it was looking great I said okay now I'm I

23:33 Want to take a break and do something that I really like so I'm also a certified dog trainer and behavior so I said all right Apple I think I have done my time at the company and I think I I've done a fairly decent job and you know well recognized and such so now what's next there should be another Frontier I'd like to break so I took a year off and did some freelancing with Consulting and supply chain of course I didn't want to say goodbye to that but I will also started working with pet services companies and now I'm currently an advisor in one of the startups in the bed space as well but eventually I realized that teaching was something I was really passionate about and unlike the US I can't I couldn't even fathom doing things like these as diverse as these but here in India I got a chance to teach and now I am with a startup called stowa which allowed me to teach business education to students so we're an alternative to an MBA and I thought that was fantastic because it's a great

24:34 Way for me to use my experience and sort of pay it forward the business fraternity here and the young business Talent as well so it's a great way for me I mean I'm teaching I'm working with pets and I'm also Consulting on the side doing basically what I really enjoy doing there's no you know dagger above my head saying you change your job or else no I for you to do what you want I think sounds like this is what you want right the freedom to you know do what you want I mean you know without like this immigration whatever it could be right but now I think you know trying out with your passion of dog training teaching and so much so much diversity there I think it's just the opportunities to do that in the flexibility to do that yeah so maybe Switching gears a little bit so thank you very much for sharing that career transition and how your journey has been so it's been five years since you moved from us so how has the life been in India you know I know you came with really really really low expectations and

25:34 How has it been you know living in India and how much far it exceeded so definitely people would be curious you know in terms of your experience and how has it been so far I think she came with low expectations I came with no expectations between slit I think life has been very good it's been busy I think the startup kind of made it a little busy but aside from the from the startup and the startup Journeys I mean to say a little more about the startup you know we did a few rounds of fundraising we also went to an acquisition to successfully acquired so it was a good exit we're still part of a larger group of companies doing quite well growing quite well so that congratulations yeah yeah thank you so apart from that you know things like very much interested in farming so in in the one year break that that I took spent a lot of time with the kids I

26:36 Used to drop them at school try to pick them up in the evening as well but but founded a piece of land about 45 minutes away from where we lived three acres started developing that farm set it up now it's it's a nice four-year-old mature farm with all the trees that have grown and and you know exactly what you planted away and then so one of the one of them is not growing all those things are happening so it's very satisfying other than that you know it could be close to family get to meet my parents my sister my siblings so often it's also really nice to see the kids grow up you know very confident they have embraced the chaos you know it's sort of set routine they have a lot of freedoms to kind of go do whatever they want they have friends on the street they have friends in the neighborhood and they do a lot of things by themselves it's actually a lot of fun no

27:38 Regrets has been really really nice so far yeah mine I'm not going to paint such a Rosy picture everybody knows what the nice things are but I you know I grappled with social obligations before we moved here so personally I'm sort of an introvert you put me in a busy room and I find the quietest corner with a book and I'm like just nobody I'm going to turn into a fly on the wall so that was a huge change for me being thrown into a huge family and a lot of gatherings and and such so I think from personally I had to sort of grow up so to speak and you know kind of put boundaries about what is it that I can accept and what it is it that I cannot and that was a long process I wouldn't say that I hit the ground running it required some amount of negotiations and acceptance and you know all of that but now I can say that I can very quickly put a boundary and say this

28:40 I'm okay to end this time not or you're pushing me to do something else I'm I'm not eager to do so life here requires a certain amount of social obligations for sure and you don't necessarily get to pick the people you want to spend time with it's everybody's there all the time so you have to sort of learn how to to navigate that the second thing is a lot of times people will you know Paint The Rosy picture but I find some things really hard which are the basic infrastructure or just trying to get things done and you know no matter what we say about India developing and UPI and life's just fantastic but you know some things you don't want those hassles like everything does not require me to go into the bank and I don't want to go to a sub registrar's office for a document or you know with that bureaucratic system Still Remains and you have to carve out a certain amount of your time every day to do something

29:41 Like this like today our faucet was leaking and like gosh I have to go call a plumber now and I I don't know how the system here works in the US it was easy but these are things that you'd have to sort of you know get used to and you have a lot of help for sure I love it that I have the you know Financial Liberties to go hire people to help me with things but also means I have to learn how to manage them and other headache it sounds great that you know you have a lot of help but like you manage that help and then tell me how it is so that's that's where you know these are of course but everything goes to their side when you see the kids and how they've blossomed and how they've thrived in this place simple things they get to meet people of all strata Society on a daily basis they have to learn how to go through hard situations through you know bullies and through you know all everything that's thrown at them and they have learned to sort of face it in an

30:42 Adversity as and in good times and that is something that I do not think they could have gotten abroad for sure that's a really sanitized environment you know the way children grow here it's absolutely not the case but you know they say it takes a community to raise a child like a village to raise a child it's absolutely true and nothing to beat the social structure in India to help raise those children now thank you very much for sharing such a candid candid experience in India right I mean again you know here we are not trying to paint a Rosy picture I mean it is not going to be a perfect place you know anywhere in the world there is always going to be pros and cons it depends on each individual families priorities and then you know which one you want to pick so but thank you very much for sharing all your experience and how and sounds like the kids confidence the blossoms I mean I think it's just a very good to hear and I'm also like you know intrigued with ajays like you know one year experience in the farming you know it

31:44 Could be a different topic for anybody and you know they can reach out to you if they wanted to know more about it I think especially if you know like which tree is growing to what extent and if you can tell to that extent right I mean so that's very interesting so maybe I think moving on along the same lines is there anything that you miss you know from us or you know wish those things could be and I think kind of slightly touched on it but is there anything that you wanted to expand maybe that we haven't covered like yeah see I think the public infrastructure there is brilliant you know it's a really nice park walking distance everybody can go to and fairly relaxed tools You Can Have a Party in the Park you can have birthday parties water I don't have to worry about water I don't have to worry about electricity if you're living in the US you don't worry about these things you take it for granted like there's no water tank in a house you know so things like that work quite well

32:45 And at some basic level of quality the schools are quite good there and if if you are okay with the public school infrastructure it's even three of cluster the supplies don't cost much you know those things are all really nice professionalism you know hiring a plumber to come and fix the tap there I know that they will fix it and they fix it well and then make sure they do it right I don't have to second guess most of the time you know yeah and you have Yelp to figure out who's a good one yes I miss you too here is a toss you know someone's coming they say they'll come you really don't know if they'll come and then you wait and then they're late and all kinds of things and you know these things get you dealing with the government you have to set aside an enormous amount of unwanted time yeah there I think appointments and things like that you still have to wait a

33:45 Little bit but not that bad yeah I think these these are some things and I think she can talk about other things like you know hiking trails and yeah yeah for us particularly we were the outdoorsy type you know so our house was located in a manner where we were just 45 minutes away from the beach yeah or five minutes away from the mountains and every weekend we were off hiking someplace or the other and we missed that here it's a it's a plan right you can't go take off somewhere at the drop of a hat but of course once you're out India has probably the most scenic places in the world but out there it was easy easy to access what surprised me though was the Health Care system I was expecting the worst here in India but I think the one thing that I will say stands out and this might be a contentious opinion but I feel like Indian Health Care is so much better than the American Healthcare System and it's I I I was

34:48 You know one of the things I tell him was I don't know whom to go to and I don't know how doctors function there and I don't you know although we have families you know with doctors in it but it still didn't give me enough confidence but I'd say that's the one thing that I can at least from my experience say this is so much better than than the US to navigate through especially if you come into an educated set you have a few Financial Liberties and such then definitely it's much better than the US yeah cool if it's okay I mean I wanted to like maybe touch a little bit on the kids education I think this is also another common theme that comes up and I think you kind of slightly touched on it on a Surface so if you're okay like you know what was the kid age what were the kids age like when you moved and which program did you put them into and in terms of the transition for the kids how has it been in terms of the transition from U.S to India and since then you know just in with the ecosystems here I think that would also

35:49 Be very helpful yeah I mean I'll take that so the kids were five and two when we moved so one of the other decisions we made was we do not want to move once the kids are post like second or third grade it just makes it harder for them and we said okay once we're in that face let's plan what their education looks like so one of the rules we'd set up even in the U.S was we were only speaking in kannada we have Canada so we only spoke in Canada and the house so the kids grew up knowing the language really well so one of the big pluses for us when we moved here was they they knew the language so they picked up things really well they were able to converse and build relationships around with all the staff for the help of people around in the society and the third thing that we also made a conscious choice for of was not to make the kids feel sort of special in a way where they had an escape after 12th grade which means the IV sort of system right if you are in

36:50 The system here are in India you operate like an Indian you think like then you study like them you we like them you play like them you talk like them and then see where life takes you right it's completely immerse yourself in the culture and then if you want to say it when you're you know finished your 12th you want to go abroad then sure but we're not going to set you on that path from the very beginning so we put them in a local school when I say local it's a local school it's you know where this the syllabus is a it's ncrt's based but the kids come across all status Society you have this school is more than 60 years old now and it's been around in Bangalore people know it for us you know for its academic excellence and such but more than anything we wanted you know middle class decent families coming in and that was the sort of environment we wanted wanted our children to be raised at home we have similar values and we wanted to send the children into schools of similar values as well so that helped

37:52 Because they knew the language the children that they encountered thought a lot like them spoke like them so the kids were immediately sort of eased into the process and it also helped that my mother was a teacher there in the same school so adji was always around at least the first year it helped that you know a familiar face was walking around I don't I don't think that either of them missed the US when they came to school here because you know one of the things our son said and I'll never forget that when he'd gone to public school in the US in California the first week when he came back home he said mom there's there's no kid that speaks kannada in school and they're all white so for him he missed that he wanted to talk in this language and I don't know since a very young age we have always actually since the day they were born

38:53 Every day we used to have video calls with family every day at least for an hour to 90 minutes where the kids would be plopped in front of the camera and arjis and tatas would be talking to them and chatting and singing with them and telling them stories so moving here and sort of a backlimatizing to this culture was not too hard for them okay yeah sounds like I think you know very specific in terms of the family values and make sure they you know are exposed and so thank you very much for sharing that so I really appreciate it so is there any topic that we haven't covered or any advice that you want to share for the future aspirants who are considering about moving back to India from your experience anything that we haven't covered or anything that you want to share I think you know a few things one is don't make it's don't make it just an emotional decision or don't make it just a financial or any other specific decision you know it's

39:54 It's a lot of things it's all of that and it's more than that right so definitely planning helps a lot getting a dose of reality also helps a lot you know come here check things out and you know look at look at things in India from a person from from a local person's perspective and see if you're okay with that or you're not okay with that that's one thing don't make a rash decision a quick decision and suddenly pack up your badges and move I think that's a bad idea and usually you know it can work out great but it doesn't have to be a coin toss you can plan it you know I would say at least a year or two of planning it is required if you want to succeed in the the move second thing is set your finances in order I think that's super important and leave an option for you to return if you want to that kind of removes the risk factor where you're like what if I don't like it in India can I come back once you leave that gate

40:57 Open for you to return with a non-zero probability right good probability then it doesn't seem like such a big risk to take you can try it out two years three years you don't like it you can go back it's fine it's not the end of the world and many people have done that they've gone back as well so it's okay it's okay to think about it like that right yeah the finances I can't stress on enough because if you want to return to the US or you want to send your kids to school there or college there or something much later you don't want to be in a position where you're like oh my God I can't afford it and things like that so planning your finances well leave some money there leave some Investments there it's okay I don't don't be under the impression that India is the one that's growing and India is the growth story and I want to put all my money it's okay you don't have to maximize the growth of your finances and estate it's okay leave some there and you know this I think these these three things

41:58 Super important the last one I would recommend a soft Landing in the sense that you know there are gated communities where a lot of people who have come from the US have have settled down so going to a place like there is a soft Landing because people are just like you they're celebrating Halloween they're doing trick-or-treats they're doing play dates you still have to call before going to their houses and so you know you're 10 minutes away from India okay outside the gated community and there's India right there for you but inside it's it's very much like the USA believe it or not there are a lot of these gated communities it's not one or two there are probably hundreds of them very much there you'll feel very comfortable you know there's no change it's just this India that's five minutes away you just have to go outside the gate and India is waiting for you right so these are some things anything you want to add

43:01 I I think I just said I mean I think these gated communities are you know a lot I mean they have flourished and as you see you don't miss much pretty much like these Halloweens like all these things are happening and you might think like are you in India like you know especially with the way the amenities or like some of the events and all that stuff yeah I think the other important thing is to experience it right I mean you know it's always good if you can spend a month or two you know just take a furnished apartment or something just stay here experience as if living not like a visitor like a visiting India and that gives immense you know understanding of Lifestyle in in in India because it's not the you know the same ease like as you have the plumbing thing or other aspects there are other Pros but you also have to experience the other other daily part of the life of living in India yeah absolutely and we have a few friends who have moved and then returned to the US and certain things that you know we now when we have a conversation

44:02 With them they mention about what didn't work for them one of them was they just rushed into that decision of moving they didn't think through about where would they stay and what would work look like and it look like and I think they've also you know the way they set up their life school being very far from where they stay which is still quite far from where they work and it's just a you know they're stuck on the road it seems like all the time and weekends come and they're exhausted you know them are packing up and saying we're gonna live live life like this if there was a little amount of planning that was done beforehand it would have probably eased a lot of the pains it's unnecessary in a lot of such situations but you know I you can't judge right not everybody's life can be set up in such a manner so prepare yourselves for this plan this out that's what we can tell people at this point yeah great so thank you very much for sharing your story and you know your advice it's a lot of valuable

45:03 Information there and I really appreciate you taking the time and talking to us today likewise thank you for doing this it's a very good idea and I think it's it's some really needed podcast as well so kudos to you for that but yeah thanks and I think I hope it's just are going to help people who are considering to move to India and so they can wear the pros and cons and take a rational decision in in their journey I think that's the idea behind it and thank you all for sharing your information and your experience yeah thank you thank you thank you all for joining us on this insightful journey of Desi Return if you enjoyed this episode and want to explore more stories and expert advice make sure to subscribe and hit the notification Bell don't forget to leave a comment below with your thoughts and experiences by the way check out the links in the description below for our Facebook group and social media for

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