Watch: What Drew This OCI Back to India After 50 Years in Europe?

3:40 So surprising although I was just 5 years old I remember everything from that trip and from there it was England and Ireland and Denmark and Sweden Us in between it was like so many countries along the way that my father was trying to search for the IDE life if you will I don't know basically he always wanted to go back to India his so even though he was in train dad and he was offered the citizenship even in England which is a rare thing he was actually told we'll give you the citizenship because he was such a good doctor you know professionally they offered it to him and he said no no I'm going back to India I'm going back to India I don't want any of this until we landed in Norway and that was when my mother put her foot down and she said pension you're going to retire soon we cannot do this we cannot keep traveling from country to Country and that's he

4:40 Remained here for the last 18 19 years of his life in Norway okay so this was our last stop and I married when I came to Norway as well and so on so all these countries I mentioned I traveled along with parents you know and the scandin IA is perhaps the area where we liveed the longest in Denmark 5 years and then after marriage now it's 36 going on 37 years in Norway so it's a very long time so and India has been you know I think I take after my father it's been like the dream the place to go back to that's where home is and I often laugh and I say I can't speak Hindi I can't speak most of Indian languages and I can I manage very well in Telo I speak pretty good Telo thanks to my parents and my grandparents but the moment I land in

5:40 Delhi or any Indian airport don't know the language but if I see something a Miss I feel like it's my own home and I immediately start telling them hey fix that clean up or I will do it myself and that's like the moment I land at the airport itself you know I start start doing things like it's home and I don't do that in all of these countries that I've traveled I've always felt like a guest and I think that's why this move to India for me feels like just going back home if you're relocating to India after years abroad listen up I have created something that will absolutely save you precious time that most nris waste while Googling this is based on my interaction with hundreds of people about their move back Journeys and uncover the biggest frustrations nris face when planning their return so I came up with something that can help a 15 week email series a free stepbystep

6:44 Road map to address these challenges and make your move back smoother and stressfree whether you're moving back for family retirement or VISA related reasons we got you covered here is what you will get each week actionable tips to decide if moving back is the right choice strategies to plan your move back whether it's from Logistics career Financial tax planning how to choose the best school for your kids and we also have several checklist that help you with the move from a financial Logistics and much more this isn't just an advice it's carefully crafted road map to save you time reduce stress and help you make better decisions ready to plan your move with a confidence click the link below in the description to join for free and start receiving actionable strategies right in your inbox got it so just curious I know you mentioned

7:39 I think your father is a doctor and just maybe more curiosity right especially for a doctor moving from one country to other country might be a little bit more tricky because they have their own certifications the requirements from a profession so just curious on that part like what made him to move so many countries and you as a kid like you adjusting in different cultures it's it's interesting so if we can spend some time on that that would be great yeah my father he was an anesthetist and in those days in the 1970s early 70s I think they were not it was not a popular speciality because if something goes wrong in the operating theater it was always the anes fault so it was not a very popular speciality and my father was was an inist so he was literally invited you know he would laugh and say at that time if you're an inist they'll put garlands and invite you because they were a rare

8:39 Commodity and they would make they would make it easy in terms of getting the licensing and all of that because and the advantage also when you can when you talk about language and all that's also another funny thing I mean I'm quoting my dad a lot because you know I have a lot of conversations with him on all these things and he said hey I'm an anesthetist I put people to sleep I the only thing I need to know to count in the language is count backwards from 10 that's it and are you comfortable the like the two word sentences I need to know and I'm good to go so that's how he kind of like you know he got away with not really learning the language yeah especially in Scandinavian countries that speak a totally different language yeah but the medical culture the licensing systems I think he was very lucky he did have a lot of help he had

9:40 The professors and other doctors that I me in the different countries that guided him through the the policies and what needs to be done my husband is also a doctor and he came from India directly to Norway and by that time you know we're talking about the early '90s things have changed already and it was much much much harder so for him to leave like my father did into different countries was not it's not the same it it meant that he would have to start from scratch one as my father never had to start from scratch one maybe a little lower level but still you know it wasn't always he didn't have to start from his internship and work his way up each time he moved country so that's a there's a lot of change in U in how the medical field has also evolved got it understood so I'm curious like you as a kid you

10:41 Know traveling to different countries right you kind of mentioned about Europe us Scandia like you know like even for you to understand the language and talking to other kids the teachers so anything that you can share I mean I I think I can imagine like as a kid you know experiencing different cultures adjusting to different languages how was that for you like you know traveling to different countries you know I always I always thought it was a huge adventure to be totally honest and again I think I got my dad's fever and he used to say that hey if God meant us to stay in one place he would have given us Roots like a tree but we are meant to explore we are meant to travel you know and that's why we have feet and I think just the way that he said it yes yeah as a child I thought of it as an adventure oh something new

11:42 Something exciting and it was only until recently and to be honest I'll have to quote my daughter now and she said you do realize that by moving the way you have moved because in my entire life now including Norway and all these countries I have over 30 addresses where I lived yeah over 30 right and and there going to be some more now if I make the move to India so she said that you realize that that is an easy way out of making long-term relationships you just are lazy because you are not committed to any place or people even and so you don't have to invest yourself you could get away with being charming and just you know yourself that's all people will remember of you because you they don't get to see see you as a I mean through this period

12:45 Of time that you spent and it just made me realize that it has its advantages definitely I as as I said I mean as as a kid I think I just thought it was a big adventure but now as I grow older I do find the need need to have that kind of stability in terms of having friends that I can rely on as I grow older and I don't know to put a burden too much on my child that she has to be responsible for taking care of us in our old age and all of these things you know I don't I don't want I don't want her to feel any obligations and it's important now I realize to build a network and have my own friends and circle with whom I can rely on yeah going forward and that's hard work so that's a disadvantage of moving around the way we've moved around and I have a lot of family in India luckily so that's the one good thing but again since we were the only ones that were out of the

13:47 Country for a long time I don't know them very well they don't know me very well but at the same time you know it's family so I'm hoping that would help to some extent cool so maybe you can talk a little

14:02 Bit about you know the time in Norway right I think you have spent a lot of time in Norway how was the life there and why the thought of moving now I mean maybe we can come to that part but maybe we can focus on the life in Norway especially where you spend most of your life I mean in general yeah well Norway again it was my father that had come here first and this was before we got married and then my husband at the time was planning us England you know the usual English-speaking countries and Was preparing for all those exams and then my father called him up and he said Norway so beautiful country and forget England forget us forget all of these countries they need doctors I think this is the place for you and Chandra that's my husband he he said all right because he was not you know in any that that's his only only place I have to go he wasn't like that and so he came

15:04 Here and we're here we've but we have moved to 11 towns and cities in this country yeah so you know it's we moved the length and breadth of this beautiful beautiful country from North the northernmost tip to southern most of this country and life here is very very very from India or even England even Denmark which is also Scandinavian country I think it's it's a very small country very spread out population generally Norwegians are very reserved compared to other cultures even Danish are much more outgoing and love to talk to people but here they're very very very reserved like I could remember that people would actually ask me when

16:04 They would see me and we' go and say hi to our neighbors and they'll say oh can I shake your hand am I allowed you that is the level of not to be always polite because and they don't know Indians because we are so few of them at the time at any rate yeah and so they confused us with pakistanis or refugees and and they didn't know the difference between immigrants and refugees and it's it was a very strange atmosphere for me because in all the other countries they did know the difference between you know an immigrant and a refugee an Indian and a Pakistani for example and all of that and lucky for me I had this Bindy all the time so it's you know it wasn't that difficult but they didn't know that I was Indian and I had to constantly explain myself and now there are many young people it especially they we were

17:08 When I came to Norway we were like 6,000 Indians yeah including families and kids throughout the entire country now we are around 15,000 I think got it so that's I mean spread across but still you know there's an Indian even here in this little village that I'm staying at yeah the families so it's yeah we are we are everywhere and that's one part of it the other part is of course we can we can never Escape certain issues like racism or discrimination and if you're a woman and have colored then it's even more of a bit of a challenge but what I did find and I appreciate Norway for this a lot is this acceptance like I would go in with my bindii and with my Indian culture I'm a ve vegetarian you know poo

18:08 Vegetarian and this is a meat eating country big time because it's such a cold country hardly anything grows so fish is their main diet and meat of course reindeer and all of that so me going in there looking different refuse to eat their food Foods I found I don't drink either I'm a tea Toler and it was totally you know fine with them they just said oh and they respected me for keeping my identity you know this identity and they would participate in they would be curious about my religion or my festivals because I would explain it to them I would tell them hey today it's navaratri the 10 days I'm fasting and I'm doing this and that and all and they automatically Ramadan you won't even drink water how are you going to manage I said no no no Indian fasting is like chill you know we eat

19:10 Fruit and I will drink my coffee and my tea so it's not the it's not the same thing and you know we I would have fun with all of that and I bring that that culture in and so I and I find that they were very accepting and embracing of it and that is through throughout the entire length and breadth of this country yeah so I do like I do see that despite their reservedness they are also people who want to learn more and understand more and they do see themselves as the peaceful Nation country you know they I mean they give out the Nobel Peace Prize so they're very proud of that although yeah there have been a few major errors on that who they give the price to but still they're very proud they're very proud of themselves they have a great social system that they're very proud of and I have to say that I myself have been a beneficiary of it my younger

20:12 Daughter who is no more and that's also one of the reasons we're leaving this country she was a beneficiary you know she was blind and she had a chronic illness and they they gave her I mean everything and it was all by the government paid by the government and she became a remarkable young lady with that kind of support you know the systemic support that we had and of course we were there so-called resourceful parents but still I I would say that we didn't have to fight for anything we didn't have to we don't understand what blindness is for example and they took it upon themselves to provide her with whatever she would need in order for her to be able to go to school participate in equal terms play football with other kids I mean do

21:13 Things that any child would like to do yeah so a disability would not hamper her from living a full life and we didn't know how to you know how to do how to take care of her how to get her to participate but they took care of all of those factors so I it works at some level no thanks for

21:36 Sharing that and I'm sorry about the loss but sounds like I think very very nice place and you know people are very helpful and you know the things that you're mentioning about right like for them to understand and providing those like infrastructure or you know the options I think that's you know fantastic so I just want to touch Bas I know there is always this heart for India for you but maybe curious on the timing part like why now or why in few years that you want to move you know anything that kind of triggered that thought like yeah this is the time that you want to move so just curious on that part of it well there two or three things the first is of course my parents are older my father had made a DEC decision that he's no longer is able to travel to Norway so that you know that was and my mother-in-law

22:36 Is also there and she's also much older and alone and that's a big thing you know I I call them every day I follow up every single day to make sure that they're okay and talk to the I talk to their friends I talk to their doctors I I do that but there's always that element that I might not get there time you know in case something happens and it it's I don't need that worry let me put it that way at this time in my life that's one the second of course is and they're all very personal right the second one is my daughter she's married in Norwegian and I have three beautiful grandchildren and it's so important for me cuz you know look at me if you look at me now you would say that has this woman ever lived abroad all her life right I look Indian I am Indian I speak with an Indian accent when I'm

23:37 Nervous I do my puas I do everything and it's a lot of it has got to do with the caves you know and I want my grandchildren to know how privileged they are that they have that blood flowing through them and this is and I cannot do it from here because it will always be at The Superficial level yeah it will be the minority yeah but India it's the majority so I want them to come there experience it firsthand spend their summer holidays you know they get too what is it almost two full months here I want them to come and be in India live in India yeah you know go to the mushroom feed the cows and yeah whatever it is that that that I think is India yeah and I want

24:38 Them to see the diversity and the beauty of this country and know that this is also their Heritage yeah and this is also their home whenever they're ready to want to come back if they ever feel they want to right so that's the the second reason and the third reason is I think for myself I am inspired by India I I see the development over the years how fast it's taking place I see young people I have been a leader myself I mean for more than 25 years I started my own company now in my 50th year and a lot of it has and I see what is lacking and I am quite willing I mean the pockets of India is such a huge country so I don't like this generalization but I have held many lectures in different parts of India on management and Leadership and what I do

25:38 See is there is that as of now there is very little good leadership mentors if you will you know and that's and I feel that we we should be leading the world in this yeah you know we always end up and I see these young people here they end up always taking a secondary role they do the hard work they do the presentations they do everything but they never take the lead yeah they never step up to that and and I think it's time that India as a country and our young people do it and like I said as a fine line between confidence and arrogance yeah you know and I do find that they often get very mixed up the young people because they haven't been taught what does confidence where does

26:39 Confidence come from and you know arrogant language where do that come from and this is my expertise if you will and so it's a part of me that wants to go at this time when I'm not too old but wise enough to know that the life is a much more than just being on the rat rat race wheel and my husband is taking early retirement he is also one who wants to do voluntary work he's a pediatrician so he wants to do a lot of voluntary work and you know there's need there's a need I I can just say that my daughter's illness is an extremely rare illness and she once asked to me so how many I mean how many people in India have this illness and you know she and I checked it out of course

27:42 And there were quite a few but none of the children survived Beyond the age of five wow who had her illness in India nobody yeah and in the Western World there are those who have lived up to 50 she was 23 years old but there are those that have lived up to 50 years or at least have had some kind of a childhood so that is also another factor that I feel that my husband would like to be able to change that he's a researcher and it's something that he can offer you know yeah to people picture no yeah no thanks for sharing that so sounds like it's more a timing of the early retirement of your husband and that's when I think you know you would be making the move and kudos to you I think in terms of like you know there are some reasons to be with the parents and also helping the

28:42 Grandkids but also like contributing the knowledge or the experience that you have for the benefit of you know the young people in the India and so many other things so really you know grateful to hear that thank you I haven't gotten yet but I have to yeah so along the same lines you know once you have decided to move to India was there anything that you can

29:09 Talk in terms of the planning I think you know from your side I think it's clear right not anything on the you know like social service and some of those aspects to keep you busy on a professional life and you know the other parts but is there anything that you can talk about on a planning perspective like on a financial planning or anything that you're doing while abroad you know to set up and make sure the smooth the transition is smooth and so on yeah this is actually a challenge because like I told you I don't even have an account in India yeah a bank account because I never felt the need for it and as long as my parents were there they were my bank you know and so I just kind of like hey I need money for this and I get it and so and I use my own cards from here so that the financial system how it works I think that that is where my husband and I would have to spend quite a lot of time in able to understand how it works and how we can transfer our funds from

30:10 Here to India safely and how it would influence our pensions whether our pensions will be I mean whether we would get them to an Indian account or do we have to still maintain all our you know Norwegian accounts in order to for the pension to come there and then have some kind of agreement with the bank to have it transferred I mean these are all now we're luckily we're living in the world of internet banking so generally speaking it's not going to be a challenge but when I change my address I lose certain accesses like my telephone number by which the only one I can use to access my bank for example so there these small things that I don't know how they work and I think financial planning becomes very important because India has become more expensive and if you want to maintain a certain kind of a lifestyle like I want my driver and I want you know I want my cook and I want I want my house help I want all of these

31:10 Things yeah the cost and and I think that it's important that we have a very realistic view on it so I'm in the process of talking to others who have made the shift in the move and that's one of the reasons why that group that you have set up the groups I would say that you set up have become very important because although a lot of them are very young and are coming from the US I get a lot of information on aha so this is the way to go about it this is what I have to think about and words like nro NRI account I I don't even know what they are but I'm beginning to learn and then I say I tell my husband oh what does this mean what does that mean and then he'll say okay let's just check it out let me explain it to you so you know it's it's that's just the and I think that's important to have at the base and that's one and the second thing is that I'm a diabetic I'm on insulin and

32:12 So on and here the government provides all my medication and everything for me right it's free so and in India I will have to buy so again I need to find a good medical system that will make sure that I can continue with my treatment and not fall sick you know and all of this have a plan a contingency plan and a budget yeah also for health care costs because that's something that I see that my parents have not done yeah and as you grow older naturally your health care prices I mean needs will also increase and they struggle between the two countries especially since my father is not coming back to Norway anytime soon then it becomes quite a huge a huge problem so these like the the medical system needs to we need to have that in place as you grow older I think and start saving now itself when you're healthy enough and you know you're able

33:14 To take care of these things and the second thing is of course make your make sure that your pensions you're that you're not double taxed and things like that which we know very little about and educate ourselves literally on how the how the Indian and the Norwegian system work together and the laws and regulations regarding these two so that's where at I'm a very basic level when it comes to these these are the two major things yeah housing and all I'm not too worried about you know yes my husband and I we are simple we're happy in a rented house yeah as long as we can get away and enjoy the nature and yeah got it that's all so when did your

34:02 Parents move to India so if you can talk a little bit about their Journey right I mean they have also spent quite a bit of time abroad and sounds like they moved to India how four decades they right they lived in abroad four decades almost wow 40 years abroad and then they moved to India so for how long have they been living in India the last 15 years almost 15 not yet fully but almost 15 years yes wow okay so pretty much maybe after retirement or something yes my father retired when he was 65 here had 67 but he took early retirement sure so he he left nor from India when he was 65 their Journey was it was actually quite okay because they were able to move back and forth and every you know every summer there would be in Norway and every winter there'd be in

35:02 India so they got the best of the Both Worlds and the my my children are beneficiaries we would go every year to India you know so I think that that the transition for them wasn't too difficult yeah but at the same time I do see that now as they're getting older they're finding it harder not so much because here even if the system is flawed in many ways it's still a system that works it's the same though if I can go to the hospital here it's the same as if I went to a hospital thousand kilometers away in another town in another place the system is the same yeah in India unfortunately you go to the next hospital and they have a totally different system yeah you know everything changes and I think that that is the biggest challenge for them and

36:02 Yeah the to understand all of these and I so they do prefer so they are in consultation with the Norwegian doctors because again it's they understand this they've lived here for 18 years you know the last last years of my father before retirement so they I I find that it was hard also because of the extreme busyness yeah here for example nobody comes home to me without an appointment yeah you know and that appointment usually is like three weeks in advance it's not like I just pop in tomorrow for a cup of coffee that doesn't happen or even not even like that they would everything would be planned yeah and I think for my mother the transition is harder actually than for my father because she was of course a housewife

37:05 And U so for her to have this very planned way of living was perfect for her and she's a very organized type of person so she loved loved this Western call First make an appointment and then come yeah visiting that suited her because then she could make a beautiful meal you know nothing unplanned and dress up well and all of that but so I think for her it was extremely hard to have people just drop in and it clashed with her what do you call it the social because she grew up very traditionally naturally right when my grandmother would if guest came at 1:00 in the night because of the train my grandfather would wake up she would get up and cook food for them at that hour wash their feet I mean that was that's the way my mother grew up so naturally she follows the same system

38:07 And now she's exhausted yeah because India has changed yes nobody does that anymore so she's not able to fully adjust she's still this thing and I keep telling her hey it's okay you don't need to get up at 1:00 in the night just show them there's the bed and let them sleep and tomorrow morning you can you know give him a good breakfast yeah so she has a more my father is happy he sits he writes books he's written about 20 books after his retirement really wow yes yes so he yeah and I I as I said I call up and I spend hours arguing with him on his books and and he has friends and people that come to visit him so they're happy in that sense and I laugh and I tell my parents you know what I'm when I'm coming to India at least you have a base because you grew up there you studied there and you're in the town

39:07 Where you studied and where my mother was born and lived in my grandparents house and is in vishak patnam as well so I understand so people know you they know you oh you are so and so St and you're so and so you studied medicine in Andre Medical College they people know right and I said I write on your network at this moment I'm just going to have to use it shamelessly because I don't have any so I'm going to use their influence and their their friends so that's the advantage Advantage part of it is that they have gone back to a place where they lived and studied and have childhood friends and I think that that makes a lot of difference in terms of how quickly you can adjust yeah coming from abroad to that you need to have some something yeah which is what my

40:10 Biggest fear that I don't have that something you know in India I don't have childhood friends I don't have I didn't study with anybody yeah I I college life all these things and I get a little envious of my husband when he talks about his college friends and in Telugu he says oh I've never heard him say that you know it's a bit for me it's like very rude I said could you talk like that to your friend and he says we grew up together yeah so I feel a little envious so when he's going back to India he's like reaching out to his friends and calling them up and say hey find me an accommodation I'm looking for this place I need this I need that and and I'm like okay so what am I you know and so scared of being at home and just not knowing where I belong I am scared of that to be honest but it's an adventure adventure yes so

41:12 Just a curious in terms of the plan I

41:14 Know you have the plans to move like is the plan to spend the time in India completely or also like travel back and forth between Norway just curious on that part my husband has no plans he prefers now he says when I go to India I want to be there and I want to you know have that stability yeah of course as I said I have my child here and my other daughter and my grandkids so I said already that I will and my business is based in Norway as of now so I said that I will I will be shifting between the two countries most of the time though in India of course that's the aim maybe 3 months in Norway that is is my initial initial thoughts yeah but when you talk about planning there is one thing that I I do think that is has been a challenge is the you know packing your things sending or what to send

42:15 What not to send what is a value what is not a value because I remember when the Packers we haven't yet sent our stuff but I just wanted to get some inquiry what it would cost and then they asked us to evaluate the the things that we have and it's like 90% of it is junk you know and evaluated it only has meaning for me does have no meaning in terms of the money cost yeah and and I think that that is a bit of a I mean I think that's that's a one has to think about how much of this life that you have that you have built over so many years are you going to take to India you know and what does it how important it is in the big picture of all of these things because there's one thing I don't know if you've heard about the Swedish death but it's you don't

43:17 Want I don't want to leave a whole lot of crap for my daughter to take care of yeah basically and this is but it is also extremely challenging and emotionally especially since I've lived as you said in so many different countries there so many memories so many artifacts if you will you know I still have my my French workbook from almost 50 years from Trinidad wow so there you go get rid of all of this stuff is not easy it's not easy so I I think that that's something when people should think about seriously make a list of the things that you are going to take and keep with you no matter what and what are the things that you know you can safely thank it for its service and let it go yeah yeah that's an important

44:15 Aspect I mean especially like you know the lifelong memories or the things like you just accumulate lot of things and when you're making a big move like a country to Country that's a big decision process what to take what not to take and take so is there any topic that we haven't covered that you want to bring up or any advice that you want to give for future aspirants I I don't think there's anything I think India is first of all the biggest challenge that has been and I think I mentioned it a little earlier is this knowing where to settle so someone like me who have simply not lived in India permanently enough my only connection really to India is vishak patnam and that is because my grandparents house is there we would go there for our holidays we spend a lot of time there so I know vag I know it's Beach and my parents have settled there so that is sort of like the only town that I want but my husband doesn't

45:19 Have any friends there because he studied in waro okay so all his friends are in Hyderabad yeah and so and so for me any place would have been okay because I have lots of online friends and actually friends that I have met in Bangalore so Bangalore would have been ideal for me that way speaking but he doesn't have any friends there so I think you need to really and they're different right every vag is different from Hyderabad to Delhi and Mumbai and so on cultures are different not just not just languages alone in itself and I think that you really need to study that a little bit more in depth when you decide to make the move and spend a little time so we intend to spend now we have landed on Hyderabad simply because my husband has friends and that I'm hoping that'll give me an inass into a broader network but that being said that it's

46:19 Study it you know study the areas and if you have children especially I think yeah schooling how much involvement you yourself distance to traveling you know to work and all of these things I think they make a difference yeah I would and I always underestimate the traffic in India oh yeah I I mean I invariable and I feel embarrassed because we come from a country where people if they say 10:00 there're 2 minutes before 10 on time and so it's very much in grained and then I say hey I'll be there at 10:00 and then I don't turn up until almost 11:00 because I underestimated the traffic I used to traffic yeah it's a very funny thing here we have this what do you call it a post office I remember going to a post office and there were like one two three people this was just before Christmas so people were sending their greeting

47:19 Cards and presents and packages right so there were like four people there and first a fifth person came in and he looked around and he said such a long que and he walked out come back at another time so you can you can imagine what we're used to yes four people is a queue yeah so it's too long the the queue is too long and I think that that's something we have to mentally prepare for that things will take longer get to from A to B and things like that and be more tolerant be more forgiving when things happen yeah you know just like a point things change and be more willing and more flexible and I think that's something that we don't learn in the west to be totally honest we living here all these

48:21 Years I have noticed is that there is no that there's no that that's the only way yeah you know there is very little room for understanding that hey we're human and something can go wrong so often I feel like I'm not a robot and I I'm one of those leaders that often says that if I had a fight with my husband in the morning guaranteed you come in through my door and ask for help I'll tell you take a hike but I had a good morning breakfast and a good cup of coffee with my husband and you come in and ask for help I'll say hey come along sit down let me what do you need help with so what happens at home is going to have an influence on my workplace so i' I've been like that and it's it's been a little bit difficult for a lot of people to understand but but I do this is

49:22 The one thing that I've noticed it's very rigid in that terms you're work you're at work and it's like very this thing yeah so India requires that you need to have that that ability to understand the bigger picture often and keep it can't be too free but at the same time I do believe that it's okay to treat people that they have other lives than work yes or yeah or other lives things can happen and have that openness and yeah great so yeah thank you very much for taking the time and sharing your thoughts and your plans to move back to India after such a long time and also like the Journey of your parents right I mean who have spent close to four decades it's a long time and how their move has been going on so wish you all the best I think may we will be in touch again maybe after your moves to see how

50:24 Things were going but I really appreciate for your time and taking and sharing your story with us on our platform thank you for listening yeah thanks take care take care